help: yaesu vx-5r or kenwood th-f7????

[c]

Hello All,

I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.

I heard the kenwood th-f7e has some problems.
The microphone quality of the th-f7e does not so
good (a th-f7 user told me that),a ext mic solve that problem.

S-meter reading is not correctly, weak stations
with noise are going easely to s-9 read out.

The HF bands receiving is bad, but that is easy to
explain, short antenna, and there is not enough
space for good filters.

Hf-bands is not importand for me, but we pay
for it.

I read this all on internet, and in a Radio magazine
of Holland.

There is more.
------------------------------------------------

I did not find test information about the yaesu vx-5r
It has hf, but not SSB on it (it is not so importand for me!).

It has 6 meter (mode FM), the antenne is ofcourse
short for this band, and what is there to do on
FM on 50 Mhz?
I do not have expiriance on 6 meters, but I
think that it is a SSB dx-band (are there enough FM signals?)..

Does someone have expiriance with this yaesu
handheld?

Are there any problems with this trx?

Please your comments in this newsgroup.

73's Cor

[c]

Hello All,

I just saw the new yaesu vx-7r is also close
to that price (vx-5, and th-f7)!

What should I do?

Cor

Post by c
Hello All,
I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.
I heard the kenwood th-f7e has some problems.
The microphone quality of the th-f7e does not so
good (a th-f7 user told me that),a ext mic solve that problem.
S-meter reading is not correctly, weak stations
with noise are going easely to s-9 read out.
The HF bands receiving is bad, but that is easy to
explain, short antenna, and there is not enough
space for good filters.
Hf-bands is not importand for me, but we pay
for it.
I read this all on internet, and in a Radio magazine
of Holland.
There is more.
------------------------------------------------
I did not find test information about the yaesu vx-5r
It has hf, but not SSB on it (it is not so importand for me!).
It has 6 meter (mode FM), the antenne is ofcourse
short for this band, and what is there to do on
FM on 50 Mhz?
I do not have expiriance on 6 meters, but I
think that it is a SSB dx-band (are there enough FM signals?)..
Does someone have expiriance with this yaesu
handheld?
Are there any problems with this trx?
Please your comments in this newsgroup.
73's Cor

[Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS]

Post by c
Hello All,
I just saw the new yaesu vx-7r is also close
to that price (vx-5, and th-f7)!

Buy the VX-7, the TH-F7 often dies, and the VX-5 is replaced by the
VX-7...

Post by c
What should I do?
Cor

regards - Ralph

[--Bill--]

Post by Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS

Post by c
Hello All,
I just saw the new yaesu vx-7r is also close
to that price (vx-5, and th-f7)!

Buy the VX-7, the TH-F7 often dies, and the VX-5 is replaced by the
VX-7...

Post by c
What should I do?
Cor

regards - Ralph

Buy 'em both. Sell the loser. Otherwise you'll never realy know.

-BM

[Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS]

What do you mean "often dies"? I bought a TH-F7 yesterday for no
particular reason (impulse buy) and now I'm not sure if I should regret
it.

The UHF preamp dies if you wear two radios on the same side of your
betl, or if you have two antennae with small distance installed on top
of your roof, one connected to a high power transceiver and the other
one to the F7. Kenwood knows about the problem, they should write this
in the manual...

Arse.

regards - Ralph

[News.CIS.DFN.DE]

Post by Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS
The UHF preamp dies if you wear two radios on the same side of your
betl, or if you have two antennae with small distance installed on top
of your roof, one connected to a high power transceiver and the other
one to the F7. Kenwood knows about the problem, they should write this
in the manual...

That's good then, thanks. I won't be suffering from the problem you
describe as this is currently the only radio I possess and I don't have
any erections on the roof.

Have you tried Viagra?

G1ITV

PS Many years ago a GW1*** in Bangor told me he had a rotavator on his
roof! I suppose there isn't a shortage of slates in that are.

[Whinging Courier]

Post by News.CIS.DFN.DE
Have you tried Viagra?

No. I suffer with vertigo :)

[c]

Hello All,

Why does kenwood not made a good protection
in the RX front end section after so many years
expiriance?
It must have the same problem when people are in
the fields with contest (hi power).
I do not like the idea to always renember that the th-
f7 is sensetive for that.
It's intresting, I think to download a schematic of
this kenwood handheld by www.mods.dk


But I think to choose for the yaesu VX-5 or the new
VX-7.

What is the difference between them?

Does the VX-7 have something bad, or is het
100% okay?

Cor

Post by Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS
Buy the VX-7, the TH-F7 often dies, and the VX-5 is replaced by the
VX-7...

What do you mean "often dies"? I bought a TH-F7 yesterday for no
particular reason (impulse buy) and now I'm not sure if I should regret
it.
Arse.

[Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS]

Post by c
Hello All,
Why does kenwood not made a good protection
in the RX front end section after so many years
expiriance?

Good question. They do not see this as a real problem, and I was told
by a Kenwood representative at a hamfest that wearing two handhelds on
a belt is almost misuse :(

And another problem is, many users even do not know that their
receiver is damaged, because they do not feel the difference between
0.2 and 0.6 uV at 12dB SINAD, and/or they do not have another radio to
compare.

Post by c
It must have the same problem when people are in
the fields with contest (hi power).
I do not like the idea to always renember that the th-
f7 is sensetive for that.
It's intresting, I think to download a schematic of
this kenwood handheld by www.mods.dk
But I think to choose for the yaesu VX-5 or the new
VX-7.
What is the difference between them?
Does the VX-7 have something bad, or is het
100% okay?

Take the VX-7, it is OK.

Post by c
Cor

regards - Ralph

[unknown]

Post by c
Hello All,
I just saw the new yaesu vx-7r is also close
to that price (vx-5, and th-f7)!
What should I do?

Although the VX-7R has improved features, the waterproofed speaker makes
hearing much more difficult to me. Please do yourself a favor and listen
to both of them side by side before purchase.
<snip>
--
Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.

[Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS]

Post by unknown
Although the VX-7R has improved features, the waterproofed speaker makes
hearing much more difficult to me. Please do yourself a favor and listen
to both of them side by side before purchase.
<snip>

The F7 does not sound better, when having loud environment the only
radio that outperforms is one of my Motorolas :)



regards - Ralph

[Steve Terry]

Post by c
Hello All,
I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.

Got something against the VX-7 ?
the VX-5 is now obsolete

Steve Terry

[Clueless Moron]

Post by Steve Terry
Got something against the VX-7 ?
the VX-5 is now obsolete

Oddly enough I just spoke to somebody yesterday
with my VX5R, so apparently most repeaters
are still backwards compatible with obsolete RF.

[Ed]

Post by Steve Terry

Post by c
Hello All,
I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.

Got something against the VX-7 ?
the VX-5 is now obsolete
Steve Terry

Hmmmmm... last time I used mine it worked just fine. It may not be
manufactured any longer, but it is far from obsolete.

Ed

[jOn.....]

Post by Ed

Post by Steve Terry

Post by c
Hello All,
I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.

Got something against the VX-7 ?
the VX-5 is now obsolete
Steve Terry

Hmmmmm... last time I used mine it worked just fine. It may not be
manufactured any longer, but it is far from obsolete.

And I bought the whole kit in America for almost half price
car adaptor
stand alone fast charger
speaker mic
extra battery
programming software and cable
soft case
a smaller comet antenna
a bnc/sma adaptor
barometer altimeter board
$537
and already had a 110v converter £1

[Dave Platt]

Post by c
I heard the kenwood th-f7e has some problems.

Zathras does not know.

Post by c
------------------------------------------------
I did not find test information about the yaesu vx-5r
It has hf, but not SSB on it (it is not so importand for me!).
It has 6 meter (mode FM), the antenne is ofcourse
short for this band,

Reportedly the antenna _will_ load up on 6 meters, if you install the
6-meter tip, but it's very inefficient. I've never actually tried to
use it.

Post by c
and what is there to do on
FM on 50 Mhz?

Not very much. There are a number of 6-meter FM repeaters here in the
San Francisco bay area, but fewer than there were some years ago (I
understand) and there's not much activity at all.

Post by c
I do not have expiriance on 6 meters, but I
think that it is a SSB dx-band (are there enough FM signals?)..

SSB and CW in the lower-frequency portions, FM in the upper.

Post by c
Does someone have expiriance with this yaesu
handheld?
Are there any problems with this trx?

I've had one for about a year. It's a nice little HT. I treat it
strictly as a dual-bander, having swapped the original antenna for a
more flexible 2m/440 duck from Pryme. The lithium battery carries
quite a respectable charge - I have yet to actually run it down. The
U.S. version can be programmed to monitor FM frequencies in the
222-225 MHz U.S. amateur band - nice for monitoring a few local
repeaters, although it can't transmit on those frequencies.

The VX-5 does get very warm during extended transmission at full power;
the case and the operator's hand are obviously part of the heatsink.
The SMA jack on the top has a tendency to work loose and isn't rated
for a lot of attach/detach cycles - I recommend tightening it
carefully, and then installing an SMA/BNC adapter with a rubber washer
or grommet at the bottom to act as a strain relief. The belt clip is
untrustworthy... shop around for a replacement which actually *clips*
onto your belt!

The VX-5's RF input filtering isn't great. If I hook it to an
efficient full-size antenna (quarter-wave groundplane whip or
magmount, roll-up or bicycle or base-station J-pole) there's quite a
bit of intermodulation-related signal breakthrough from the powerful
156 MHz paging transmitters in my area. I now use an outboard
anti-pager notch filter when using it with sensitive or high-gain
antennas, and this solves the problem very nicely.

Audio quality seems quite good, both on transmit and receive.

The lettering on the rubber keys is reported to wear off after a few
months of heavy use (a problem with many HTs these days). Yaesu makes
a leather-and-plastic soft-case, which protect the keys and the
display from actually being touched - I've had my VX-5 in one since I
bought it and the keys show no sign of wear or fading.

There's plenty of information on the Net about the VX-5, including
modifications, programming tips, and so forth.

[c]

Hello All,

Many thanks for the information (i will reply later, its late now!).

Does anyone know some details from the vx-7 review in practical wirles?

Cor

Post by Dave Platt

Post by c
I heard the kenwood th-f7e has some problems.

Zathras does not know.

Post by c
------------------------------------------------
I did not find test information about the yaesu vx-5r
It has hf, but not SSB on it (it is not so importand for me!).
It has 6 meter (mode FM), the antenne is ofcourse
short for this band,

Reportedly the antenna _will_ load up on 6 meters, if you install the
6-meter tip, but it's very inefficient. I've never actually tried to
use it.

Post by c
and what is there to do on
FM on 50 Mhz?

Not very much. There are a number of 6-meter FM repeaters here in the
San Francisco bay area, but fewer than there were some years ago (I
understand) and there's not much activity at all.

Post by c
I do not have expiriance on 6 meters, but I
think that it is a SSB dx-band (are there enough FM signals?)..

SSB and CW in the lower-frequency portions, FM in the upper.

Post by c
Does someone have expiriance with this yaesu
handheld?
Are there any problems with this trx?

I've had one for about a year. It's a nice little HT. I treat it
strictly as a dual-bander, having swapped the original antenna for a
more flexible 2m/440 duck from Pryme. The lithium battery carries
quite a respectable charge - I have yet to actually run it down. The
U.S. version can be programmed to monitor FM frequencies in the
222-225 MHz U.S. amateur band - nice for monitoring a few local
repeaters, although it can't transmit on those frequencies.
The VX-5 does get very warm during extended transmission at full power;
the case and the operator's hand are obviously part of the heatsink.
The SMA jack on the top has a tendency to work loose and isn't rated
for a lot of attach/detach cycles - I recommend tightening it
carefully, and then installing an SMA/BNC adapter with a rubber washer
or grommet at the bottom to act as a strain relief. The belt clip is
untrustworthy... shop around for a replacement which actually *clips*
onto your belt!
The VX-5's RF input filtering isn't great. If I hook it to an
efficient full-size antenna (quarter-wave groundplane whip or
magmount, roll-up or bicycle or base-station J-pole) there's quite a
bit of intermodulation-related signal breakthrough from the powerful
156 MHz paging transmitters in my area. I now use an outboard
anti-pager notch filter when using it with sensitive or high-gain
antennas, and this solves the problem very nicely.
Audio quality seems quite good, both on transmit and receive.
The lettering on the rubber keys is reported to wear off after a few
months of heavy use (a problem with many HTs these days). Yaesu makes
a leather-and-plastic soft-case, which protect the keys and the
display from actually being touched - I've had my VX-5 in one since I
bought it and the keys show no sign of wear or fading.
There's plenty of information on the Net about the VX-5, including
modifications, programming tips, and so forth.
--
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

[Steve Terry]

Post by c
Hello All,
Many thanks for the information (i will reply later, its late now!).
Does anyone know some details from the vx-7 review in practical wirles?

Check out:
http://www.mods.dk/
will give you some idea of what it can do

Steve Terry

[Helmut (DF7ZS)]

Hi Cor.

I have a Kenwood TH-F7E from the very first date it came out in Germany and
I love that litte radio. I am 100% Yaesu minded (FT-847, FT-857, Mark-V
FT-1000MP) but the litte Kenwood is a "must have" for me. Never had problems
with it and a side by side test with the Yaesu on RX was in favor of the
Kenwood.

More reviews can be found:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2397


--
blues

Helmut

www.df7zs.de
www.skydive-video.de

Post by c
Hello All,
I want to buy a handheld for 2, and 70cm.
I was thinking to buy a kenwood th-f7e, or
a yeasu vx-5r.
They are now in stock, the price is the same, it's
399 euro.
I heard the kenwood th-f7e has some problems.
The microphone quality of the th-f7e does not so
good (a th-f7 user told me that),a ext mic solve that problem.
S-meter reading is not correctly, weak stations
with noise are going easely to s-9 read out.
The HF bands receiving is bad, but that is easy to
explain, short antenna, and there is not enough
space for good filters.
Hf-bands is not importand for me, but we pay
for it.
I read this all on internet, and in a Radio magazine
of Holland.
There is more.
------------------------------------------------
I did not find test information about the yaesu vx-5r
It has hf, but not SSB on it (it is not so importand for me!).
It has 6 meter (mode FM), the antenne is ofcourse
short for this band, and what is there to do on
FM on 50 Mhz?
I do not have expiriance on 6 meters, but I
think that it is a SSB dx-band (are there enough FM signals?)..
Does someone have expiriance with this yaesu
handheld?
Are there any problems with this trx?
Please your comments in this newsgroup.
73's Cor

[Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS]

Post by Helmut (DF7ZS)
Hi Cor.
I have a Kenwood TH-F7E from the very first date it came out in Germany and
I love that litte radio. I am 100% Yaesu minded (FT-847, FT-857, Mark-V
FT-1000MP) but the litte Kenwood is a "must have" for me. Never had problems
with it and a side by side test with the Yaesu on RX was in favor of the
Kenwood.

Ever tested it with a signal generaor on UHF? What sensitivity does it
offer at 430?

Post by Helmut (DF7ZS)
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/49
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2397

regards - Ralph